A leader in the Black Lives Matter movement in New York defended looters Tuesday night, comparing America to “terrorists” and saying the “government goes and pillages different countries.”
Hawk Newsome’s comments came during a heated exchange with Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum, who had asked him to respond to former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani saying BLM should be designated a domestic terrorist organization.
“The thing is, he’s talking about mothers and fathers who are out there protesting,” said Newsome, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York.
MacCallum, the host of “The Story,” clarified that Giuliani was referring to the looters who destroy businesses.
“OK, so when America goes and steals diamonds and oils, who’s calling us terrorists?” Newsome responded. “When the American government goes and pillages different countries, who’s calling us terrorists?”
MacCallum then asked Newsome for his response to a clip of Ariel Atkins, a BLM activist in Chicago, who said looting was a form of reparations.
He pivoted the conversation to white supremacy.
“Let’s be very careful, Martha,” he said. “The problem with oppression and white supremacy is, white supremacy will have you criticizing the oppressed and worshiping the oppressors.
“Now, if you want to talk to me about reparations, nothing falls short of a solution other than people cutting a check. If you want to do something about reparations, cut the check.”
He continued, “And we’re not talking about going in everyday Americans’ pockets. We’re talking about banks like Brown Brothers Harriman, who benefited from slavery. Other insurance companies that sold insurance policies on slaves. We’re talking about the American government that was founded on the backs of slaves.”
The interview then deteriorated, with McCallum and Newsome talking over each other after the host pointedly asked him if he thought it was “ethically OK” to loot stores — which he never answered.
“OK. Before I answer that, I want to ask you this,” Newsome responded. “Do you think it’s OK that our government kills people in their homes like Breonna Taylor?”
“No, I don’t think that’s OK. Of course I don’t think that’s OK,” MacCallum shot back, as Newsome continued to talk over her.
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