Student who rejected classmate's claim that she's a CAT is criticised

Moment furious teacher brands pupil ‘despicable’ during telling-off over trans issues: Student who rejected classmate’s claim that she’s a CAT is scolded for saying there are ‘two genders’ – and is told ‘you need to be properly educated’

  • The 13-year-old pupil said she was made to stay after the class at Rye College 
  • Teacher is heard in secret recording criticising girl’s ‘very sad’ view on gender

This is the moment a Church of England schoolteacher branded a Year 8 pupil ‘despicable’ after they rejected a classmate’s claim that she identified as a cat.

The 13-year-old pupil said she was made to stay after the class at Rye College in East Sussex on ‘life education’ by the teacher, who can be heard in a secret recording calling her view that gender is binary ‘really despicable’ and ‘very sad’.

In the three-and-half-minute recording, the angry teacher is heard speaking to two girls and says they would report the children to a senior colleague, and they needed a ‘proper educational conversation about equality, diversity and inclusion’.

MailOnline has chosen not to name the teacher, and the recording published today uses disguised voices to avoid identifying those in the conversation.

The recording begins with the teacher asking one of the pupils: ‘How dare you? You just really upset someone, saying things like [you] should be in an asylum.’

One of the girls responds: ‘I didn’t say that, I just said if they want to identify as a cow or something, then they are genuinely unwell, and they’re crazy.’

The pupil said she was made to stay after the class at Rye College in East Sussex (file image)

‘You were questioning their identity,’ the teacher replies. ‘Where did you get this idea from that there’s only two genders?’

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‘I just said my opinion,’ the pupil replies. ‘If I respect their opinion, can’t they respect mine?’

The teacher goes on to say it is ‘not an opinion’ and ‘gender is not linked to the parts that you were born with, gender is about how you identify, which is what I said right from the very beginning of the lesson’.

The teacher continues, adding that ‘there are actually three biological sexes because you can be born with male and female body parts or hormones’.

The teacher also says ‘in terms of gender, there are lots of genders – there is transgender, there is agender – people that don’t believe they have a gender at all’.

The girls say that you ‘can’t have that’. Then the teacher says: ‘What do you mean you can’t have it? It’s not a law.’

But one of the girls says: ‘If you have a vagina you’re a girl and if you have a penis you’re a boy – that’s it’.

The teacher then says: ‘Cisgender is not necessarily the way to be. You were talking about the fact that cisgender is the norm, that you identify with the gender of the sexual organ you were born with, or you’re weird, that’s basically what you’re saying, which is really despicable.’

The teacher then links the girls’ gender-critical attitude with ‘homophobia’ – but the girls deny this, with one saying: ‘I’m fine with lesbians and gay people – I’ve got nothing against them.’

The teacher says that ‘if you don’t like it you need to go to a different school’, adding: ‘I’m reporting you to [another member of staff]. You need to have a proper educational conversation about equality, diversity and inclusion because I’m not having that expressed in my lesson.’

The girl defends herself by saying she was respectful, but admits she felt compelled to ask her classmate ‘how can you identify as a cat, when you are girl?’

Rye College is a member of the Aquinas Trust, which boasts that one of its key values is ‘promoting equality, celebrating diversity, and addressing disadvantage’ 

The teacher does not refer to anyone identifying as a cat in their remarks on the recording.

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Rye College was yesterday bombarded by thousands of angry social media messages after the recording went viral.

A spokesman admitted to the Mail that the teacher should have acted differently, by ‘ensuring that pupils’ views are listened to’ and ‘encouraging them to ask questions and engage in discussion’ – instead of angrily shutting down debate on a controversial issue.

The spokesman said they would make sure ‘such events do not take place in the future’.

It is a member of the Aquinas Trust, which boasts that one of its key values is ‘promoting equality, celebrating diversity, and addressing disadvantage’.

The trust’s equality lead, Barry Blakelock, is also executive head at Rye College.

His official bio reads: ‘Barry believes the best education is an inclusive education – where the diversity of the real world is reflected in every classroom to the benefit of all learners.’

The trust has already been in the headlines this year over its strongly woke standpoint.

Only in February, it was criticised for setting out its plans to ‘re-educate’ children who make non-PC comments in the playground.

The trust, named after noted medieval philosopher and theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas, set out its move to challenge ‘negative language and actions’ in its Equality, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion policy, by advocating staff ‘challenge negative language and actions, re-educating and using sanctions where appropriate’.

Rye College is a member of the Aquinas Trust, named after noted medieval philosopher and theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas (pictured)

The trust runs ten primary schools in Bromley, Chislehurst and Penge in south-east London, Keston and Westerham in Kent, and Rye, as well as Rye College itself.

A spokesman for Rye College said they would make sure ‘such events do not take place in the future’.

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He said: ‘We are committed to offering our pupils an inclusive education. Teachers endeavour to ensure that pupils’ views are listened to, and encourage them to ask questions and engage in discussion. Teachers also aim to answer questions sensitively and honestly.

‘We strive to uphold the highest standards across the school. We will be reviewing our processes and working with the relevant individuals to ensure such events do not take place in the future.’

It is understood the girls will not be punished and the school regards the matter as closed.

Reacting to the audio today, Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Concern campaign group, told MailOnline: ‘Teachers who raise Christian and conservative views at school, or who raise real safeguarding concerns about gender transitioning children, are being sacked and banned from the profession indefinitely.

‘Will the Teaching Regulation Agency take similar action if a complaint about this teacher and the expression of their beliefs is referred to them?

‘Thousands of children in primary and secondary schools are being forced to absorb extreme LGBT ideology without their parents’ knowledge.

‘Students are having to resort to recording what is being imposed on them in the classroom to protect themselves and expose to their parents and wider world what is happening.

‘We will stand with any pupil and family who find themselves on the receiving end of such brazen viewpoint discrimination in the classroom.’

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